Australian Stadiums Discussion (Excluding Parramatta)

[mack]

Why would taking the Grand Finals to Brisbane be an empty threat? They'll just ask the QLD Government for more cash and it will finally break the "The Grand Final has to be in NSW"  tradition so they can make NSW, QLD and even Melbourne bid against each other just like they have with the State Of Origin.

[Prydzopolis]

This from the ABC article should tell you all that you need to know why the premier is digging her heels in 

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On stadiums though, (jones)he's an avid supporter. But as a member of the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust, some are questioning his influence.

Gladys Berejiklian would no doubt welcome support from Alan Jones who, at the time she became Premier, said she was a "bad choice".

[mack]

ANZ rebuild cancelled.

[Johnno]

20 minutes ago, mack said:

ANZ rebuild cancelled.

now take your origin and gf to queensland

 

 

[tardotz]

21 minutes ago, mack said:

ANZ rebuild cancelled.

Pity that it's not Alliance 

[Paul01]

The sooner we can ditch SOP for ALL games the better.

All derbies at WS Stadium and charge smurfs 3 x normal prices for any seat and fence them in with 3 bays empty around the Cove

[Hiriser]

Hahahah political BS.

ANZ actually needs a refurbishment, Allianz doesn't.

Typical corrupt society we live in. We now need to lobby to have Allianz scrapped too. 

Edited March 29, 2018 by Hiriser

[Potkorok]

Astounding - yet predictable. Now they'll start bulldozing bloody Allianz so if/when Labor wins the next election they'll have to finish it........and they wonder why we say Sydney is a divided city! Complete and utter bull.....meanwhile the premier large venue in this city will continue to be a viewing nightmare and only have a hint of atmosphere when full

[Potkorok]

Now the Herald is reporting that ANZ will be "refurbished and reconfigured to a rectangular venue"....whatever that means. FFS just paint over the rust at Allianz, rip out half the seats and add a few more toilets and exits and done....it doesn't need a capacity over about 25000 anyway!!

[mack]

Stuart Ayres grins manically, hoping that this debacle neither gets his party booted out of office, or that Alan Jones abandons him now that the SCG trust got what they wanted all along.

[FCWanderers]

The NSW Premier has said that the Allianz stadium rebuild will cost around 730 million. If you want to read the business case for the rebuild of the Sydney Football Stadium it can be found on this website 

 

http://www.infrastructure.nsw.gov.au/expert-advice/business-case-summaries/

[FCWanderers]

There is also a discussion paper for the redevelopment options for ANZ stadium. The three options canvassed are

1) remodelling of the lower and mid tier seats as well as the corporate suites; 2) rebuilding the stadium with 70,000 seats; and 3) rebuilding the stadium with 75,00 seats.

It looks like they decided to go with option one which is cheaper and faster, supposedly. (Where have I heard that before.)

[Prydzopolis]

14 minutes ago, FCWanderers said:

2) rebuilding the stadium with 70,000 seats;

Probably using old shell & gutting the inside

14 minutes ago, FCWanderers said:

3) rebuilding the stadium with 75,00 seats.

Total demolish

14 minutes ago, FCWanderers said:

1) remodelling of the lower and mid tier seats as well as the corporate suites;

Looks like this is the one we will be getting. After they spend 500-700m on the stadium, I can see everyone complaining that they should have just done it right the first time.

[Paul01]

1 hour ago, mack said:

Stuart Ayres grins manically, hoping that this debacle neither gets his party booted out of office, or that Alan Jones abandons him now that the SCG trust got what they wanted all along.

What a f...w.t.

He needs his electorate before he needs Alan Jones. Without an electorate, he can't be Premier.

[FCWanderers]

3 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

Probably using old shell & gutting the inside

Total demolish

Looks like this is the one we will be getting. After they spend 500-700m on the stadium, I can see everyone complaining that they should have just done it right the first time.

The cost of option one is 810.1 million.

[btron3000]

Politics at its farcical best.

And sad really, that we all said this would happen.

The SCG Trust gets their way, as does the AFL, and the biggest stadium in a city with two rectangular-field codes remains an oval with no atmosphere. These people should be drawn and quartered.

[Paul01]

19 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

Politics at its farcical best.

And sad really, that we all said this would happen.

The SCG Trust gets their way, as does the AFL, and the biggest stadium in a city with two rectangular-field codes remains an oval with no atmosphere. These people should be drawn and quartered.

This move is Stuart Ayre's attempt to become NSW Premier by courting Alan Jones and the big end of town.

It's time to give him a collective boot. Or give his office/s an earful.

[mack]

They are going to gut the inner bowl & shell, and build higher rake seating closer to a rectangular pitch... while trying to avoid the upper seats having their view obscured by the new bowl?

For $700 million dollars that's going to look awful and it still won't fix the sightline issues for the upper seating.

[FCWanderers]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/04/05/sydney-fc-call-scg-home

Sydney FC to play at the SCG during stadium reconstruction period.

[Tranquilo]

6 minutes ago, FCWanderers said:

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/04/05/sydney-fc-call-scg-home

ESFC to play at the SCG during stadium reconstruction period.

 

[Wanderboy]

They will go through exactly what we are going through now, at the same time we will be returning home to the best small rectangular stadium in Oz.

Loving their pain.

[Paul01]

4 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

They will go through exactly what we are going through now, at the same time we will be returning home to the best small rectangular stadium in Oz.

Loving their pain.

Watch their home derbies moved to ANZ.

So next season both WSW and the Smurfs will be homeless for season 2018-19

[mack]

They are going to play any Derbies and games against MVFC at the SCG, plus a few other games to make up the 6 in total there.

[GD07]

Minister's embarrassing email revealed amid Sydney stadium saga

7 April 2018 — 12:01am

 

 

By Patrick Begley & Lisa Visentin

 

Sports Minister Stuart Ayres personally scripted media responses for Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust chairman Tony Shepherd, as the government struggled to justify spending hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding Allianz stadium.

In response to questions about the state of the Moore Park facility, Mr Shepherd had proposed saying the stadium was "not decayed" but Mr Ayers reworded the comment to emphasise it was "old and out of date".

 

 

Sport Minister Stuart Ayres.

Photo: AAP

The minister's intervention was revealed in email chains contained within a trove of documents released under a parliamentary order on Friday.

The correspondence offers an insight into the relationship between the government and the trust, which manages Allianz stadium and counts broadcaster Alan Jones among its trustees.

On February 16, the Sunday Telegraph's chief sports writer David Riccio sent a series of questions to the trust's media team with the subject line "Qs for Shep".

"Sydney could soon boast two of the best stadiums in Australia – what would that mean to Sydneys sports fans?" Riccio asked in one question.

The trust forwarded on the questions and proposed responses from Mr Shepherd to Mr Ayres' office and Infrastructure NSW for vetting.

 

 

Allianz Stadium at Moore Park.

Photo: Narelle Spangher

Mr Ayres then rescripted several answers in an email headed "my preferences" while writing "response okay" beside others.

Asked by the Sunday Telegraph about the decay of facilities at the Sydney Football Stadium, known as Allianz, Mr Shepherd's original response began "the SFS is not decayed".

That was ultimately replaced with a line from Mr Ayres, sent from his iPhone, saying "the SFS is old and out of date".

Responses from both men emphasised the cost of facility upgrades but it was Mr Ayres' language that was authorised for release under Mr Shepherd's name.

 

 

Sydney Cricket and Sports Ground Trust chairman Tony Shepherd.

Photo: Brook Mitchell

Mr Shepherd originally said the trust had spent "countless millions maintaining the venue" but could not afford major infrastructure investment such as fire sprinklers, which were not required at the time of building 30 years ago.

Mr Ayres recommended this be changed to "maintenance bills increase every year" and would cost "hundreds of millions of dollars", while adding an assurance the building was safe to use.

The Sunday Telegraph's story was never published. However, other correspondence suggested the minister's office approved material sent to SCG members and could refuse Mr Shepherd permission to conduct interviews.

In one email, a media advisor for Mr Ayres said to the trust's media team "you will need to hold off on lining up this interview until further feedback from the Minister and PO [Premier's Office]."

Labor's leader in the upper house, Adam Searle, said the papers revealed “the conspiratorial  nature of the relationship" between the trust and the minister for sport.

"We always knew they were working hand in glove but now we know to what degree," Mr Searle said.

A spokeswoman for Mr Ayres said the trust was a statutory authority overseen by the NSW government.

"Like all government agencies there is regular engagement with the relevant minister’s office," the spokeswoman said.

Trust spokesman Phillip Heads said no one could veto Mr Shepherd's interviews and neither the public nor journalists had been misled.

"The chairman has final approval of any public statements," Mr Heads said. "At times, as a courtesy, the Trust seeks the advice of the NSW government."

The relationship between the trust and the government has come into sharp focus in recent months, after Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced in November that both Allianz and ANZ stadium at Olympic Park would be rebuilt at a cost of more than $2 billion.

This was a departure from former premier Mike Baird's commitment in April 2016 to scrap plans to rebuild Allianz, and instead prioritise the refurbishment of ANZ.

After enduring months of public backlash, Ms Berejiklian again revised the government's stadium policy last week, ditching plans for a new ANZ facility in favour of $810 million of renovations.

However, the premier recommitted to replacing the 30-year-old Allianz stadium, citing business cases from Infrastructure NSW that showed spending $730 million on a new stadium represented a better economic outcome than refurbishment.

Patrick Begley is an investigative reporter for Fairfax Media. 

Lisa Visentin is an urban affairs reporter based in Sydney. She has previously worked covering courts and in federal parliament.

[matty]

Haha love it, hopefully this means a backflip, not holding my breathe though 

[Paul01]

NSW Govt stuffed it up. Allianz does NOT have a credible business case.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/stadium-policy-to-haunt-government-until-election-stadium-boss-20180423-p4zb7t.html

[mack]

Politically the chances of a positive outcome from this situation was ruined the moment they caved into Jones & Ayres relentless pushing of SFS first instead of rebuilding ANZ and then leaving any talk of doing the SFS until after the election.

I still think they'll win the next election anyway.

[Paul01]

NSW Govt Minister censured for, amongst other things, failing to produce the documentation for business case for the AllIanz Stadium rebuild.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/senior-nsw-government-minister-don-harwin-censured-in-parliament-20180605-p4zjnx.html

[Paul01]

The truth always comes out

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/revealed-rugby-s-60m-deal-with-nsw-government-over-stadium-plan-20180608-p4zkf8.html

[mack]

Looks like the same deals the Govt gives to the FFA to secure high profile international games in Sydney.