Grand Final Bound Wanderers Lose To Mariners

I vote for Marconi Stadium.

Move to Canberra...

Why the f would we move to Penrith, Campbelltown or any other ground that doesn't even have enough seats to accomodate all of our members?

 

Why don't we move to Cook Park? It's rectangular, and the grandstand is close to the pitch, we're undefeated there, oh, and it has a soul too.

You mean all those members who half of which don't show up?

They can sit on the hill in ctown

Yes I know they have paid for a seat but meh I don't care

There seemed to be an unofficial members boycott yesterday.

You beat me to it Lloydy, already an unofficial boycott underway it seems.

Move to Canberra...

Would could take a game down to Canberra, don't see why not... 

Why the f would we move to Penrith, Campbelltown or any other ground that doesn't even have enough seats to accomodate all of our members?

 

Why don't we move to Cook Park? It's rectangular, and the grandstand is close to the pitch, we're undefeated there, oh, and it has a soul too.

This. People need to go back and look at the discussion thread from when we were picking the stadium. Olympic Park was the only real choice based on our membership numbers and the number of seats at each stadium.

Yeah lots of members aren't turning up so it doesn't matter at the moment but imagine if we were top of the league (or we did sign the big name marquee that everyone is screaming for). Who here would be ok with having a full season membership but being turned away from a game because it's full? That's how you get protests.

The venue questions needs to be revisited in the next off season, we need to get out of SOP, or Spotless at least. At ANZ it doesn't seem to be so suffocating as the men in blue are spread out more.

Campbelltown holds 20,000. It's got a railway station and parking. The 9000 we got would have half filled it nicely!

Do we know if there is an effort being made to move away from SOP next year? Does the club even realise how bad it is there?

No where will be as accessible as parra for all of western sydney, but if we split games between Campbelltown, Penrith and Belmore that could work. We'd get rectangle stadiums, the club can profit from stadium memberships as well as full season memberships, and I can't speak for everyone but travelling to Campbell town and Penrith is easy for me, Belmore isn't but that's fine since its only a few times a season. Travelling to SOP every second week is awful, and it's a terrible atmosphere when I get there.

 

What do people think, is it important enough to stage protests (not boycotts yet) over, if the club aren't making an effort to fix this?

Ive got an idea, why don't we have 19 minutes of silence and then start chanting....

oh wait, apparently its been done before

Lets be honest, a move wont happen. Its crap and all that but it is what it is.

I can't help thinking if they were creative about membership packages a combination of Campbelltown and SOP could work.

- opt in for games?

- Anz game only packages (which they have anyway now)

Play bigger games at anz and/or spotless but less face it even in seasons when we are doing well there are games that will fit into Campbelltown

Besides a sell out creates a buzz, those season 1 sell outs at parra made people want to come check it out

 

Why the f would we move to Penrith, Campbelltown or any other ground that doesn't even have enough seats to accomodate all of our members?

 

Why don't we move to Cook Park? It's rectangular, and the grandstand is close to the pitch, we're undefeated there, oh, and it has a soul too.

 

This. People need to go back and look at the discussion thread from when we were picking the stadium. Olympic Park was the only real choice based on our membership numbers and the number of seats at each stadium.

 

Yeah lots of members aren't turning up so it doesn't matter at the moment but imagine if we were top of the league (or we did sign the big name marquee that everyone is screaming for). Who here would be ok with having a full season membership but being turned away from a game because it's full? That's how you get protests.

 

Regardless of how well we're travelling or not, Spotless is an awful place to watch football - any code that operates on a rectangle, not the AFL dropfest. 

ACL at Campbelltown!!! Looking forward to it, better enjoy it this year as we aren't looking good to make it next year

I was happy,

I am just starting to come out of shock from Sundays game.

I left home and drove to the ground arriving at 4:00pm no traffic was great and the carpark was empty

I got to my seat and I felt like a lepper as i had row after row of good watching area if that is possible at Spotless.

The southerly had blown in and all was great , cool weather , we are going to smash this very average team from Central coas

all is looking great life is good we can consolidate a top six position.

Then my phone goes ding , I think great here is the run on team , same as the run on team against the NIX is my thoughts we will

smash the tomato sauce mob.

I read it and I read it again and again , what !!!! no Santilab , no Griffith this is wrong we cant go on without a recognised centre forward.

I looked again, got to be a mistake !!!! no mistake as the team warmup it is obvious Santa is on the bench and Griffith is not in the team at all.

Has Popa lost his marbles I know CCM are a very average team BUT !!!!

So we hammer them for 45 minutes and oh so close , should have been 3 nil Santa would have got at least 1,

halftime if only 0-0

Second half is Santa on , nope , why is it that all coaches wait for 15 minutes of the second to sub players.

Surly a professional footballer can perform for 45 minutes even if he is getting long in the tooth.

Santa is on , what! Popa took Antonis off , bugga me what is going on Jumpie has put more pressure on our defence

than central coast has , for goodness sakes Nichols in Jumpie role and Santa up front , simple

So guess what we give away a penalty game gone we still dominate and Santa misses a couple of golden opportunities.

We could be still in this and then the great defensive blunder , 1 chance 1 goal chip over the top and we ARE DOWN 2 NIL

Game over a few more chances and its full time , beaten by a bunch of scrubbers and end the weekend outside the top six.

The walk to car park was a blur and the drive home was a blur other that abusing any driver that looked like coming near me.

I have just been to see a Quack to ask him why my Western Sydney Wanderers continue to do stupid things both on the field and off.

I am happy but sad

 

The venue questions needs to be revisited in the next off season, we need to get out of SOP, or Spotless at least. At ANZ it doesn't seem to be so suffocating as the men in blue are spread out more.

 

Campbelltown holds 20,000. It's got a railway station and parking. The 9000 we got would have half filled it nicely!

 

http://www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/RSF/ServicesandFacilities/CampbelltownSportsStadium/CampbelltownFootballStadium

It seems according to the above website it has 13,028 seats. Then there are some really small hill areas at the ends. I doubt you could fit 7,000 extra people into those ends. I don't think Campbelltown has got 20k in a while either. Similar to grounds like Brookvale or Shark Park that used to fit 20k+, they now never get above 16-17k.

 

 

Why the f would we move to Penrith, Campbelltown or any other ground that doesn't even have enough seats to accomodate all of our members?

 

Why don't we move to Cook Park? It's rectangular, and the grandstand is close to the pitch, we're undefeated there, oh, and it has a soul too.

 

This. People need to go back and look at the discussion thread from when we were picking the stadium. Olympic Park was the only real choice based on our membership numbers and the number of seats at each stadium.

 

Yeah lots of members aren't turning up so it doesn't matter at the moment but imagine if we were top of the league (or we did sign the big name marquee that everyone is screaming for). Who here would be ok with having a full season membership but being turned away from a game because it's full? That's how you get protests.

 

Regardless of how well we're travelling or not, Spotless is an awful place to watch football - any code that operates on a rectangle, not the AFL dropfest. 

 

Don't disagree that it's a crap venue for football. Just saying that if you take out all the grounds that have less seated capacity than our membership and the grounds that are right on the fringes of Western Sydney or a nightmare to get to and you're pretty much left with SOP.

I don't enjoy going there and wish there was a better alternative but I think it's the best of a bad selection.

I don't know why people keep bringing up Ctown and Riff as options. There aren't enough seats for the paid season ticket holders. Its simple as that. You can't turn people away that have paid a season membership. You can't, in the next off-season, now cap the memberships at 10k and lose half your revenue so you can play at a smaller stadium.

SOP was the only viable option. The hope was, that it would increase the fanbase because there were more seats.

Little did the club realise, if you recruit rubbish, your die hard fans will stop coming, let alone any chance of gaining new fans.

I wonder if the club's "members who stick with us through the time at SOP will get the best seats in the new stadium" has actually backfired a little?

It means people will pay the (relatively cheap) membership fee, turn up to 2-3 games when they feel like it, and then enjoy the best seats in the new Parramatta stadium.

They should have done "members who turn up to the most games get the best seats in the new stadium" instead.

If they didn't do the whole stick with us during our time in the wilderness then member numbers would have dropped and we could be at Campbelltown or Penrith

 

 

 

 

The venue questions needs to be revisited in the next off season, we need to get out of SOP, or Spotless at least. At ANZ it doesn't seem to be so suffocating as the men in blue are spread out more.

Campbelltown holds 20,000. It's got a railway station and parking. The 9000 we got would have half filled it nicely!

http://www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/RSF/ServicesandFacilities/CampbelltownSportsStadium/CampbelltownFootballStadium

 

It seems according to the above website it has 13,028 seats. Then there are some really small hill areas at the ends. I doubt you could fit 7,000 extra people into those ends. I don't think Campbelltown has got 20k in a while either. Similar to grounds like Brookvale or Shark Park that used to fit 20k+, they now never get above 16-17k.

Yeah at both ends of Campbelltown there are big hilly areas. If you added some temporary seating on both sides you could boost capacity by a couple of thousand maybe but it still wouldn't accommodate our current membership numbers.

I'm all for culling the members who don't show up and moving to Campbeltown, however.

I don't know why people keep bringing up Ctown and Riff as options. There aren't enough seats for the paid season ticket holders. Its simple as that. You can't turn people away that have paid a season membership. You can't, in the next off-season, now cap the memberships at 10k and lose half your revenue so you can play at a smaller stadium.

 

SOP was the only viable option. The hope was, that it would increase the fanbase because there were more seats.

Little did the club realise, if you recruit rubbish, your die hard fans will stop coming, let alone any chance of gaining new fans.

That may have been the view last year, but that needs to be looked at again. The club went to SOP because they wanted us, and to grow the club. After playing there for only four months we look like we are in survival mode. Spotless is killing us, we need to get out of there.

How many of the almost 20k members are actually regulars? Going by the Spotless figures: 10-12k. The rest have picked up ANZ memberships.

Campbelltown has seats for 13k? That should cover the immediate needs. Offer the families tickets on a hill, and put temporary seats up on the other end. If 15k rock up the place will be pumping. Split the games between ANZ and Campbelltown (see above). Play home games in ACT, the Gong, Gosford even. Something like that.

I really don't give a toss. What I do know is that I'd rather go for road trips and enjoy myself at a game then spending any more time at Spotless depression headquarters.

We'll know more after the ACL games, and I doubt that membership numbers will be a deterrent to go to smaller grounds the next two years. The members are voting with their feet already.

And as I've said repeatedly: Panthers won't have us, we are not welcome there.

 

And as I've said repeatedly: Panthers won't have us, we are not welcome there.

 

I thought Panthers were considering the purchase of the Wanderers so the club avoided playing any games there so Panthers wouldn't have a foot in the door.

 

 

And as I've said repeatedly: Panthers won't have us, we are not welcome there.

 

 

I thought Panthers were considering the purchase of the Wanderers so the club avoided playing any games there so Panthers wouldn't have a foot in the door.

 

Butt hurt ex suitor now bitter you (FFA) didn't choose them. Now they hate you more then Sydney FC  

 

 

And as I've said repeatedly: Panthers won't have us, we are not welcome there.

 

 

I thought Panthers were considering the purchase of the Wanderers so the club avoided playing any games there so Panthers wouldn't have a foot in the door.

Butt hurt ex suitor now bitter you (FFA) didn't choose them. Now they hate you more then Sydney FC

The feeling is mutual.

And as smurfs don't get further than Parra on old derby days Panferz don't even know what a Sydney FC is

Here's the view from the other side. I'm a Foundation Member, but this year, I switched to a 5-ticket membership. 

It's got nothing to do with the team's form at the moment (I've sat through worse). And it's not just the fact that Spotless beats ANZ in the unfriendly-to-football soulless dump stakes.

Until this season, getting to home games was straightforward: 20-25 mins in the car, followed by a 15-20 min walk to the ground. This season, it's three separate train journeys (assuming that there's no "trackwork"), with no coordination between the trains (for some reason, I don't enjoy hanging around Lidcombe and Strathfield stations late at night).

It's not just enduring the moronic queuing system for the risibly misnamed "Olympic Sprint".  It's not just watching security guards telling people that they can't bring that hamburger or sandwich through the gates. It's not just trying to negotiate the blocked-off station platform access at the end of games - with station staff shouting at you as though you're a primary school kid on an excursion.  It's not just the non-existent timetabling for trains leaving Olympic Park.

I'm 60, and I'm too old to put up with all that crap.

And what's it all for? What was the burning (joke!) need to demolish Pirtek? It was a ground that comfortably accommodated the existing membership. It may have been a bit rundown, but it was by no means no longer fit for purpose, and could easily have been refurbished.

When Spotless was announced, I contacted the club with my concerns (esp regarding transport). The response was simply to ignore what I said (and which has subsequently proved to be true). As a last resort, I asked if there would be a parking deal for members. The reply typified this whole debacle: "we are currently working closely with Sydney Olympic Park with a parking offer for Members". This was after Spotless had been announced as the new home ground! Who in their right mind signs a tenancy agreement for a new home and then tries to negotiate a parking deal for members? The whole thing smacks of total disregard for members.

Rant over!  :-)

 

 

The venue questions needs to be revisited in the next off season, we need to get out of SOP, or Spotless at least. At ANZ it doesn't seem to be so suffocating as the men in blue are spread out more.

 

Campbelltown holds 20,000. It's got a railway station and parking. The 9000 we got would have half filled it nicely!

 

 

http://www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/RSF/ServicesandFacilities/CampbelltownSportsStadium/CampbelltownFootballStadium

 

It seems according to the above website it has 13,028 seats. Then there are some really small hill areas at the ends. I doubt you could fit 7,000 extra people into those ends. I don't think Campbelltown has got 20k in a while either. Similar to grounds like Brookvale or Shark Park that used to fit 20k+, they now never get above 16-17k.

 

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The venue questions needs to be revisited in the next off season, we need to get out of SOP, or Spotless at least. At ANZ it doesn't seem to be so suffocating as the men in blue are spread out more.

 

Campbelltown holds 20,000. It's got a railway station and parking. The 9000 we got would have half filled it nicely!

 

 

http://www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/RSF/ServicesandFacilities/CampbelltownSportsStadium/CampbelltownFootballStadium

 

It seems according to the above website it has 13,028 seats. Then there are some really small hill areas at the ends. I doubt you could fit 7,000 extra people into those ends. I don't think Campbelltown has got 20k in a while either. Similar to grounds like Brookvale or Shark Park that used to fit 20k+, they now never get above 16-17k.

 

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Campbelltown Football Stadium - Campbelltown City Council

www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/RSF/.../CampbelltownFootballStadium

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Capacity, 20,000. Number of seats, 13,028. Video Screen, Ability to install. Floodlighting. 8 Light towers. Lighting Levels 500LUX - 1750LUX. Field of play"

 

OK, 13,028 sitting, 7000 RBB behind the goals, no problem! 

 

OH&S won't let you have 7,000 people cramming in behind the goals. Different world to one we lived in 20 years ago.

Here's the view from the other side. I'm a Foundation Member, but this year, I switched to a 5-ticket membership. 

 

It's got nothing to do with the team's form at the moment (I've sat through worse). And it's not just the fact that Spotless beats ANZ in the unfriendly-to-football soulless dump stakes.

 

Until this season, getting to home games was straightforward: 20-25 mins in the car, followed by a 15-20 min walk to the ground. This season, it's three separate train journeys (assuming that there's no "trackwork"), with no coordination between the trains (for some reason, I don't enjoy hanging around Lidcombe and Strathfield stations late at night).

 

It's not just enduring the moronic queuing system for the risibly misnamed "Olympic Sprint".  It's not just watching security guards telling people that they can't bring that hamburger or sandwich through the gates. It's not just trying to negotiate the blocked-off station platform access at the end of games - with station staff shouting at you as though you're a primary school kid on an excursion.  It's not just the non-existent timetabling for trains leaving Olympic Park.

 

I'm 60, and I'm too old to put up with all that crap.

 

And what's it all for? What was the burning (joke!) need to demolish Pirtek? It was a ground that comfortably accommodated the existing membership. It may have been a bit rundown, but it was by no means no longer fit for purpose, and could easily have been refurbished.

 

When Spotless was announced, I contacted the club with my concerns (esp regarding transport). The response was simply to ignore what I said (and which has subsequently proved to be true). As a last resort, I asked if there would be a parking deal for members. The reply typified this whole debacle: "we are currently working closely with Sydney Olympic Park with a parking offer for Members". This was after Spotless had been announced as the new home ground! Who in their right mind signs a tenancy agreement for a new home and then tries to negotiate a parking deal for members? The whole thing smacks of total disregard for members.

 

Rant over!  :-)

Ladies and gentleman

I think me, Edinburgh, Taurus and Ossified have found a new member of the cranky old bastard sub-section of the WSF sect

Welcome brother Stio!

Parra was unfit for purpose. The changerooms were reportedly ancient, and we had to fight tooth and nail to host the ACL Final there, if you remember. It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities.

It needed a knock down rebuild, despite our affection for it.

I remember recently Juve were crap whilst their stadium was being built. Ever since it opened, Juve have won everything there and have only conceded something stupid like 5 goals in 5 years at home. Currently at 26 game winning streak at home in Serie A.

I look forward to replicating this at Wanderland 2.0

Parra was unfit for purpose. The changerooms were reportedly ancient, and we had to fight tooth and nail to host the ACL Final there, if you remember. It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities.

So the stadium had to be rebuilt because the changerooms were "ancient"? How difficult could it be to refurbish them? They're only changerooms - not nuclear reactors.

"It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities." The media room ain't relevant to ordinary members who go to the games - nor are corporate boxes. You could buy drinks and a range of food at Pirtek - and take a leak if necessary: again, what other "facilities" does the average football watcher need?

However, I take your point. The purpose of the refurbishment was nothing to do with the actual paying customers; it was all about increasing profit for the club's owners. That's their right, but it's also my right as a customer to refuse to accept the substandard situation at Spotless.

 

 

Parra was unfit for purpose. The changerooms were reportedly ancient, and we had to fight tooth and nail to host the ACL Final there, if you remember. It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities.

So the stadium had to be rebuilt because the changerooms were "ancient"? How difficult could it be to refurbish them? They're only changerooms - not nuclear reactors.

"It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities." The media room ain't relevant to ordinary members who go to the games - nor are corporate boxes. You could buy drinks and a range of food at Pirtek - and take a leak if necessary: again, what other "facilities" does the average football watcher need?

However, I take your point. The purpose of the refurbishment was nothing to do with the actual paying customers; it was all about increasing profit for the club's owners. That's their right, but it's also my right as a customer to refuse to accept the substandard situation at Spotless.

I reckon you'll change your tune once it's built. WSW home games in a proper bowl with a roof all the way round will be incredible

 

 

Parra was unfit for purpose. The changerooms were reportedly ancient, and we had to fight tooth and nail to host the ACL Final there, if you remember. It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities.

So the stadium had to be rebuilt because the changerooms were "ancient"? How difficult could it be to refurbish them? They're only changerooms - not nuclear reactors.

"It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities." The media room ain't relevant to ordinary members who go to the games - nor are corporate boxes. You could buy drinks and a range of food at Pirtek - and take a leak if necessary: again, what other "facilities" does the average football watcher need?

However, I take your point. The purpose of the refurbishment was nothing to do with the actual paying customers; it was all about increasing profit for the club's owners. That's their right, but it's also my right as a customer to refuse to accept the substandard situation at Spotless.

I reckon you'll change your tune once it's built. WSW home games in a proper bowl with a roof all the way round will be incredible

 

Pirtek was already incredible. It was known around the HAL as having the best atmosphere of any ground. The new stadium may match that, but fans/customers are being treated like **** in the meantime. NOTHING has been done to ameliorate the awfulness of the Spotless (lol) experience - largely, it would appear, because the fans' interests haven't been a significant consideration. Then again, having walked around Penrith Park in the blazing sun a few seasons ago, trying to find a way in, I should have realised that the WSW business doesn't really care about members. I suspect that no-one involved in the decision to choose Spotless had or has ever tried to get to Spotless by public transport.

 

 

 

Parra was unfit for purpose. The changerooms were reportedly ancient, and we had to fight tooth and nail to host the ACL Final there, if you remember. It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities.

 

So the stadium had to be rebuilt because the changerooms were "ancient"? How difficult could it be to refurbish them? They're only changerooms - not nuclear reactors.

"It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities." The media room ain't relevant to ordinary members who go to the games - nor are corporate boxes. You could buy drinks and a range of food at Pirtek - and take a leak if necessary: again, what other "facilities" does the average football watcher need?

However, I take your point. The purpose of the refurbishment was nothing to do with the actual paying customers; it was all about increasing profit for the club's owners. That's their right, but it's also my right as a customer to refuse to accept the substandard situation at Spotless.

I reckon you'll change your tune once it's built. WSW home games in a proper bowl with a roof all the way round will be incredible

Pirtek was already incredible. It was known around the HAL as having the best atmosphere of any ground. The new stadium may match that, but fans/customers are being treated like **** in the meantime. NOTHING has been done to ameliorate the awfulness of the Spotless (lol) experience - largely, it would appear, because the fans' interests haven't been a significant consideration. Then again, having walked around Penrith Park in the blazing sun a few seasons ago, trying to find a way in, I should have realised that the WSW business doesn't really care about members. I suspect that no-one involved in the decision to choose Spotless had or has ever tried to get to Spotless by public transport.

Can you offer any solutions ?

 

 

 

 

Parra was unfit for purpose. The changerooms were reportedly ancient, and we had to fight tooth and nail to host the ACL Final there, if you remember. It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities.

So the stadium had to be rebuilt because the changerooms were "ancient"? How difficult could it be to refurbish them? They're only changerooms - not nuclear reactors.

"It doesn't hold up to modern standards for the media room, corporate boxes and facilities." The media room ain't relevant to ordinary members who go to the games - nor are corporate boxes. You could buy drinks and a range of food at Pirtek - and take a leak if necessary: again, what other "facilities" does the average football watcher need?

However, I take your point. The purpose of the refurbishment was nothing to do with the actual paying customers; it was all about increasing profit for the club's owners. That's their right, but it's also my right as a customer to refuse to accept the substandard situation at Spotless.

I reckon you'll change your tune once it's built. WSW home games in a proper bowl with a roof all the way round will be incredible

Pirtek was already incredible. It was known around the HAL as having the best atmosphere of any ground. The new stadium may match that, but fans/customers are being treated like **** in the meantime. NOTHING has been done to ameliorate the awfulness of the Spotless (lol) experience - largely, it would appear, because the fans' interests haven't been a significant consideration. Then again, having walked around Penrith Park in the blazing sun a few seasons ago, trying to find a way in, I should have realised that the WSW business doesn't really care about members. I suspect that no-one involved in the decision to choose Spotless had or has ever tried to get to Spotless by public transport.

 

Can you offer any solutions ?

 

Yes.

Was going to say the same thing.

Plenty of complaints but not one solution or idea on how to solve the problem.

I don't mean any disrespect by that either.