Home Implosion Starts Season 2015/16

 

Wait you guys have meetings at strip clubs ? 

 

Much better than free wifi organic superfood soy cafes

 

Boobs and beer = winning

 

Ours are at pubs but ffs strippers hahah that's awesome. 

 

 

Ok first of all just because one person allegedly "gave the bird", doesn't mean the whole WST did. Members of the RBB have done things that the rest of the RBB don't agree with many times. 

 

Secondly, how do you expect them to do the poznan when RBB ole ole ole is being sung at the same time?

 

Thirdly, it was their FIRST DAY! They don't have the intention of not singing at all. Like you said, bit difficult but something will be figured out. At the end of the day, they still celebrated the goal. Were disappointed when conceded goals. They still stayed to the very end. Still waited for the players to come around, and still clapped them off. So how did they not support the team as you said?

 

Fair point re: the bird. I guess it just didn't look good when WST claim to support the team but, because they didn't do the poznan and didn't sing a lot, they looked more concerned with NOT supporting the RBB than supporting the team.

 

I think it's a really difficult situation, particularly because WST is still in the same terrace and so the terrace is split. Being 3 bays away and intending to sing different songs is hard on everyone. I've been in games overseas where two groups tried to start songs from bays next to each other and it nearly ended in violence. If not handled well it's not pretty.

 

On the other hand, in those same overseas games there were certain songs that everyone knew and everyone sang, regardless of the group they represent. Then for smaller songs or other parts of the game, they sang their own tunes. So maybe I'm dreaming but I would love for WST to sing the songs that don't include RBB references. It's a bit far-fetched to expect them to sing "We are the terrace of the RBB" but they sang ALE ALE (or whatever, I never know the names) and it was really good. I'd love to see more of that, with them singing their own songs sometimes but joining in and even challenging the RBB noise wise on some songs. Dreams I know...

 

Why not do the poznan and not chant? I'm sure the whole stadium doesn't sing RBB OLE during it. The poznan is bigger than the RBB now. WST can show that they join with all the WSW supporters in the poznan but don't need to sing RBB OLE. The only people that don't do the poznan now are a few tired suits and naysayers and the away fans. You said that I should call smurfs wankers and not call WSW fans wankers, but by not doing the poznan the WST are associating themselves with the away fans more than the WSW fans.

 

 

You're not dreaming man about WST chanting all the non RBB chants. That will definitely happen. And with the poznan, like I said, it was day one. It will come together.

The most concerning part for me if TRUE is that Rbb/Northgate were using the tifo money to fund their away trip travel.

Not true at all, though it was very suss when i heard dukes just bought his second ferrari in a week

 

Also too much emphasis on WST. Let them do their thing, concentrate your efforts on chanting for the team and enjoying your time, which was what was seen in the march, and it was the best one probably since season 1.

Edited October 12, 2015 by mltezr

 

 

 

 

Agree with the "Fred will come good" posts. He's a striker, once he bags a couple he'll be away. Looks like he is snatching a bit at his shots, that suggests a guy wanting to do well but not in rhythm.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that fans - in all sports - start thinking the sky is falling after one game. It happens every year in all sorts of sports and fans still don't get that the most important thing is how you finish, not how you start.

 

WST - wanker behaviour. And sadly it affected both the whole terrace. RBB was a little flat, for a few reasons: one banned capo, new RBB members still learning the songs, down 3-1 early, Thursday night. With new members, it doesn't help that some core singers were in Bay 53. When WST showed some passion - jumping up and down and singing ALE - it inspired the whole bay. It was like a call and response para-noia but with a proper challenge thrown down, not a created one. There's a few ways this can go. Sulk over there and **** it up for everyone (likely). Rejoin RBB (unlikely I'd guess). Stay over there and continue to sing / challenge the RBB to get louder (hopefully).

 

Has anyone stopped to think that there may just be a good reason why WST are doing this? Or are you all too narrow-minded to believe that? Hold back from calling them wankers if you don't know the full story. I know that the full story hasn't come out yet, but give it time before you call them wankers. Call the cove wankers, not fellow WSW fans.

 

At the end of the day, they're supporting the same team. Many teams across the world have more than 1 active support group. It happens.

 

 

Mate, I have absolutely no drama with people forming their own group, splitting from a bigger group etc etc. I don't know the reasons, don't pretend to know, and don't care. I said they were guilty of wanker behaviour because they stood there giving the RBB the bird instead of supporting the team. It was a pathetic display. They claim to be supporting the players and club, yet they didn't do the poznan. EVERYONE in the ground does the poznan, not just the RBB.

 

If you read my post, I said that I'm hopeful that they continue to sing and/or challenge the RBB so that everyone lifts their game. But sulking over in the corner and doing nothing for most of the game is no way to support the team. Probably the best moment of the night came when they started singing ALE ALE and the RBB lifted a notch as well.

 

I understand that they might have had difficulty as they are in the same bay as la banda and the RBB, and it must be tough to know whether they should sing along or try to do something different, but if they could get over themselves and sing, then the whole terrace, and therefore the entire crowd, will be even better.

 

 

Ok first of all just because one person allegedly "gave the bird", doesn't mean the whole WST did. Members of the RBB have done things that the rest of the RBB don't agree with many times. 

 

Secondly, how do you expect them to do the poznan when RBB ole ole ole is being sung at the same time?

 

Thirdly, it was their FIRST DAY! They don't have the intention of not singing at all. Like you said, bit difficult but something will be figured out. At the end of the day, they still celebrated the goal. Were disappointed when conceded goals. They still stayed to the very end. Still waited for the players to come around, and still clapped them off. So how did they not support the team as you said?

 

 

Hey JosephWSW56 - the "56" in your User Name isn't because of Bay 56... is it?

 

I'm a bit concerned about the... naivety of your post, if it is.

 

haha my membership card says bay 56 so yes. That can't be changed even if i wanted it to.

Could go in football and media but given its a really good analysis of the game, I am posting it here

 

http://leopoldmethod.com.au/wanderers-rue-defensive-errors/

 

It'd be good to see the breakaway factions move down to south side and we have an end to end active support.

 

 

it'd be better to see the "breakaway factions" moved back into the bays that are on their membership cards.

 

awkwardness for the lols.

Yeah I just mean if the situation at hand continues to go ahead the way it's going then it wouldn't have been a bad idea so there is intimidation and support at both ends.

 

However, boro does make a good argument and to snatch that experience away from the kids at that end wouldn't be right.

Could go in football and media but given its a really good analysis of the game, I am posting it here

 

http://leopoldmethod.com.au/wanderers-rue-defensive-errors/

At the corners where we conceded two goals I wonder whether the defenders are making errors because instead of concentrating on what is happening in the moment they are trying to think one step ahead on how to play out as required by this new possession system and thus making errors.

 

This new play out system is not part of NTS's DNA. He's been ( successfully) hoofing it out since he was a kid and the requirement to play differently is affecting the  decisiveness  and confidence of his play. This along with the goalkeeping problem is causing these defensive calamities.

 

Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Don't know what the answer is - either NTS goes or the system is changed back.

 

Could go in football and media but given its a really good analysis of the game, I am posting it herehttp://leopoldmethod.com.au/wanderers-rue-defensive-errors/

 

At the corners where we conceded two goals I wonder whether the defenders are making errors because instead of concentrating on what is happening in the moment they are trying to think one step ahead on how to play out as required by this new possession system and thus making errors.

 

This new play out system is not part of NTS's DNA. He's been ( successfully) hoofing it out since he was a kid and the requirement to play differently is affecting the  decisiveness  and confidence of his play. This along with the goalkeeping problem is causing these defensive calamities.

 

Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Don't know what the answer is - either NTS goes or the system is changed back.

You may be on to something there. It seemed so disorganised in the penalty box and it really did seem that their minds were more on what to do next rather than having to protect the goal.

What else could explain such a horrible lapse of defensive judgement? Perhaps they're getting ahead of themselves. Especially with this new style.

 

Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Don't know what the answer is - either NTS goes or the system is changed back.

 

 Surely there is a middle ground?...There are times when just getting rid is the best option, and in a confused and crowded 6 yard box at a corner is probably one of those times. There are times when controlling  the ball and making a few short passes to get out of your own half is better, especially if you can catch them with 4-5 players behind you as you move out. I'm just a dude who plays in a kick and giggle league and I know this. ( for me its always been easier said than done) A bit of awareness, familiarity and communication is all thats needed to discern between the two scenarios. 

 

We tend to forget, or at least gloss over the fact that, last season with Covic, NTS and Spira at the back we still conceded stupid goals like this. Most of us were optimistically hoping that the new players would be a fresh start and that would just be a thing of the past, and we had those hopes at least temporarily dashed. Now, I was sad Covic left, but those saying we should never have gotten rid of Covic need to stop watching ACL final replays and watch a few A-league games from last season again.

 

The players know they stuffed up and that we aren't happy. So there is no point us continuing to tell them that. instead we should be picking them up and giving them the encouragement to get up and do better next time.   

Edited October 12, 2015 by pushiepedlar

I think there is a perception that our defence is still strong, when in reality it is now becoming something we really need to work on. Especially with Covic gone (who was always a rock for us) and NTS not really fitting into a system we want to play. I think all the goals we conceded were just soft. But that doesn't mean it won't happen again, which means it is really up to the players themselves to get organised and get it right.

 

I also think Redmayne needs to be more assertive with crosses and corners otherwise he won't last long.

 

I still have my doubts about Hamill. He seems to lack speed for some reason and is error prone. But people say he had a good pre-season so I don't get it. Every time I see him play I feel like he is not secure at the back of the defence.

It reminds me a bit of a first game in the ACL where simple errors were the death of us in that game, with time we will see if they can be ironed out.

Some super long bows being drawn suddenly lol, feels like it's still preseason, keep the hypothesise coming boys.

 

 

 

Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Don't know what the answer is - either NTS goes or the system is changed back.

 

Surely there is a middle ground?...There are times when just getting rid is the best option, and in a confused and crowded 6 yard box at a corner is probably one of those times. There are times when controlling the ball and making a few short passes to get out of your own half is better, especially if you can catch them with 4-5 players behind you as you move out. I'm just a dude who plays in a kick and giggle league and I know this. ( for me its always been easier said than done) A bit of awareness, familiarity and communication is all thats needed to discern between the two scenarios.

 

We tend to forget, or at least gloss over the fact that, last season with Covic, NTS and Spira at the back we still conceded stupid goals like this. Most of us were optimistically hoping that the new players would be a fresh start and that would just be a thing of the past, and we had those hopes at least temporarily dashed. Now, I was sad Covic left, but those saying we should never have gotten rid of Covic need to stop watching ACL final replays and watch a few A-league games from last season again.

 

The players know they stuffed up and that we aren't happy. So there is no point us continuing to tell them that. instead we should be picking them up and giving them the encouragement to get up and do better next time.

Exactly, there were communication problems between the back four and the keeper last season, this is nothing new.

I'm glad a more open discussion is being had on what's happening with the RBB and WST. I left 56 at game end for 53 to see some very familiar faces. Thinking about some of the stuff that's happened in 56 particularly during a difficult S3 I can guess some of the grievances 53 may have on a personal level. The real politics and the football politics are another level altogether. Maybe WST will morph into a strong sub group as we have had with other groups but I'm not sure. This will obviously play it's way out and how they deal with the club and security issues and the RBB may just polarize the differences and give Actives more options at the back. I'm assuming that since WST is in an Active Area they will be Active. For a while the Poznan was done without the RBB chant and I think we insisted this but doing it doesn't cede to the RBB it only reaffirms our stadium wide collective. I hope the RBB doesn't become a 'family friendly' Active group for want of a better term. Neutrals might see this all as petty in fighting but that only underestimates how passionate people are in supporting this club. If all hell does break loose 54 could become a Green Zone and 55 a buffer state. I get it that this isn't a politics thread.

It reminds me a bit of a first game in the ACL where simple errors were the death of us in that game, with time we will see if they can be ironed out.

 

Nah bro...all due to pyro 

 

Covic & Polenz couldn't see the Ulsan Hyundai shots on goal coz flare wielding thugs inveigled their way into the ground

I'm glad a more open discussion is being had on what's happening with the RBB and WST. I left 56 at game end for 53 to see some very familiar faces. Thinking about some of the stuff that's happened in 56 particularly during a difficult S3 I can guess some of the grievances 53 may have on a personal level. The real politics and the football politics are another level altogether. Maybe WST will morph into a strong sub group as we have had with other groups but I'm not sure. This will obviously play it's way out and how they deal with the club and security issues and the RBB may just polarize the differences and give Actives more options at the back. I'm assuming that since WST is in an Active Area they will be Active. For a while the Poznan was done without the RBB chant and I think we insisted this but doing it doesn't cede to the RBB it only reaffirms our stadium wide collective. I hope the RBB doesn't become a 'family friendly' Active group for want of a better term. Neutrals might see this all as petty in fighting but that only underestimates how passionate people are in supporting this club. If all hell does break loose 54 could become a Green Zone and 55 a buffer state. I get it that this isn't a politics thread.

                                             

All they need to do is make up non RBB lyrics and sing along to the tunes like everyone else.

 

I do understand that whatever sh1t went down broke personal relationships. I also understand that Thursday evening would have been awkward for many in the RBB to say the least, and tough for those in the WST. No pre-game drinks at the collector, no march, no Bay 56, no chanting, no contact with old friends. Isolation instead of involvement - quite depressing really.

 

What I don't understand is that a statement has been issued about supporting the team, and then the the WST did bugger all at the game. It is fair to say that the average supporter in the other terraces gave more than the WST did that night. Being physically present in the NT does not qualify as support in my books. Not good enough.

 

Sure, it was the first day, but the WST folk will need to make up their mind if they want to be foremost anti-RBB, or pro-team as they claim, and act accordingly.

Damnunited & joe56, I assume you guys know something that we don't? Apart from the strippos bust up, Putin loving, different ideas on support, allegations of misuse of funds & coming to a middle ground with police what am I missing something here? I guess I just expected it to be something much worse or something really really bad to have happened.

They may have genuine issues but they're carrying on like prawns in dealing with it.

The only insider info I have is that a 50 gram pouch of White Ox inside Silverwater is going for $600.

Lol

Score one for the bad guys

Main issues about the football, rbb needs to address it instead of being optimistic...

What's wrong with seeing the glass half full ?

 

We've finally got a team called Western Sydney, something we don't have to share with bum drillers from Matraville.

They may have genuine issues but they're carrying on like prawns in dealing with it.

Agree, it would just be nice if those "genuine issues" come out because RBB (as Harry explained it the other day, all WSW fans not just those in NT) just want to be able to make an informed decision on the split & whether the grievances are reasonable. I must admit the initial posts by WST were positive & sensible but they don't back up anything they've said with there actions or words. On the other hand the RBB have explained themselves & I feel the ball is in WST's court. For example, on how Northgate have used RBB funds for away trips, show us proof or show us some tangible evidence that backs up there claims.

Lol Score one for the bad guysMain issues about the football, rbb needs to address it instead of being optimistic...

Do you really think it's the RBB's job to address football issues on the field? I thought the whole idea of active support or the a RBB was to provide vocal support for the team? You guys can vent through banners telling the club or the players that what they are doing isn't good enough but apart from that, that's not the primary purpose of the RBB.

I would just like them to do what they have done in regards with dealing with the club and Parramatta LAC.

IE. Sit down and try and work out their differences.

I don't want the Wanderers to go down the same path as other clubs and have split supporter groups.

I understand that there will always be differences of opinion, but it would just be nice if we could avoid any split.

Remember........We Unite As One!!

I would just like them to do what they have done in regards with dealing with the club and Parramatta LAC.

IE. Sit down and try and work out their differences.

I don't want the Wanderers to go down the same path as other clubs and have split supporter groups.

I understand that there will always be differences of opinion, but it would just be nice if we could avoid any split.

Remember........We Unite As One!!

I personally think too much time and worry is being devoted to this split business.

 

A split was always going to happen and what is surprising is that it's taken this long. Human beings are right into splits - political parties everywhere spit into different factions  , right and left , religions split into may sub-religions and innumerable sects , families split into one side or the other. Heaps and heaps of examples. Who gives a stuff - splits won't be cured but as long as they are managed.

 

So I for one don't much care about spilts , but I am more concerned about the performance or non-performance of the team. 

And am sick of hearing the coach last year and this year after almost every defeat talking about "taking positives out of the game". If we added up all the "positives" taken out of defeats we would be invincible.

 

 

Just like to hear once some honesty like " we were shite I take responsibility and apologise to the fans  and so do the players and we will be taking a good look at ourselves"

 

Having said that I think we can beat Adelaide and Pio to come good. 

 

I would just like them to do what they have done in regards with dealing with the club and Parramatta LAC.

IE. Sit down and try and work out their differences.

I don't want the Wanderers to go down the same path as other clubs and have split supporter groups.

I understand that there will always be differences of opinion, but it would just be nice if we could avoid any split.

Remember........We Unite As One!!

Having said that I think we can beat Adelaide and Pio to come good.

 

I just hope that happens.

 

I thought the fan base in general was a bit flat at our first home game, particularly after last seasons results.

Fans are hanging for a home win, and to go home with hope.

 

I would just like them to do what they have done in regards with dealing with the club and Parramatta LAC.

IE. Sit down and try and work out their differences.

I don't want the Wanderers to go down the same path as other clubs and have split supporter groups.

I understand that there will always be differences of opinion, but it would just be nice if we could avoid any split.

Remember........We Unite As One!!

I personally think too much time and worry is being devoted to this split business.

 

A split was always going to happen and what is surprising is that it's taken this long. Human beings are right into splits - political parties everywhere spit into different factions  , right and left , religions split into may sub-religions and innumerable sects , families split into one side or the other. Heaps and heaps of examples. Who gives a stuff - splits won't be cured but as long as they are managed.

 

So I for one don't much care about spilts , but I am more concerned about the performance or non-performance of the team. 

And am sick of hearing the coach last year and this year after almost every defeat talking about "taking positives out of the game". If we added up all the "positives" taken out of defeats we would be invincible.

 

 

Just like to hear once some honesty like " we were shite I take responsibility and apologise to the fans  and so do the players and we will be taking a good look at ourselves"

 

Having said that I think we can beat Adelaide and Pio to come good. 

 

 

That's an interesting point you make there Riva. You can deal with poor performance in several different ways. By the way you have just shown by admitting to yourself that the performance was poor and saying you need to improve. Supporters show their anger and players get the kick up the arse they need. Coach also gets held accountable and must improve to keep his job. This can have the effect in either putting the club in more turmoil (if things go even further wrong), or it can initiate some change which is needed for the club to move forward.

 

Then there is the way of supporting the players and the coach even if they are going through a rough patch. Looking at the positives and not dwelling on the negatives. This is a risky game as the players and coach can get too comfortable, and they might not feel like they need to improve any further. However it can also have a positive effect in that players and coach feel they have the support of the club and supporters, and over time improve to build a good club culture which makes the club a powerhouse for years to come.

 

It is obvious form this forum that the WSW support is based on the latter. How that turns out we will see in the next 5-10 years. Although this league is the kind of league where you can turn around your club's fortunes in space of a year.

WestSyd, spot on! Well said

This league is going to do your head in if you opt for the former Imo. It's designed to artificially reduce what a club can do. Squad sizes and salary cap and minimal imports and marquees etc etc.