Gombau Sacked By Wanderers

[mack]

Let's not risk another fall out, how about we just make Riera the coach. Let him deal with it. If Frank Farina could be Player/Manager back in the day for Marconi I'm sure Riera can do it.

[sonar]

4 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

i would say we get rid of all 3 if we have to get rid of gombau, no player is bigger than the club and there are a lot of players who think they are not replaceable(santa i am looking at you, i hope you are looking at the door)

Don't agree with you about Santalab,Goat. He put in. Gombau was in a no win situation from the get go. Feel sorry for the guy, who regardless of what has been said about him appears to be a decent human being.

[matty]

1 minute ago, Jukes01 said:

Yes this is no biggie, its a little bit different though if the manager starts being undermined by staff or players. 

It cuts both ways though. A 'crisis' situation is a great opportunity for a leader to earn respect, it seems Gombau wasn't able to do that but instead lost respect. 

While a 'manager' should be respected, realistically it needs to be earned, Gombau failed big time and it fell apart, he had to go to be fair. 

[sonar]

1 minute ago, matty said:

It cuts both ways though. A 'crisis' situation is a great opportunity for a leader to earn respect, it seems Gombau wasn't able to do that but instead lost respect. 

While a 'manager' should be respected, realistically it needs to be earned, Gombau failed big time and it fell apart, he had to go to be fair. 

If the players didn't like what he was doing then there is no way he was going to get their respect no matter what he did. 

[Neverbloom]

4 minutes ago, mack said:

Let's not risk another fall out, how about we just make Riera the coach. Let him deal with it. If Frank Farina could be Player/Manager back in the day for Marconi I'm sure Riera can do it.

agreed Riera is obviously a special little princess and we wouldnt want anyone making him upset or he might have a tantrum again

 

 

4 minutes ago, sonar said:

Don't agree with you about Santalab,Goat. He put in. Gombau was in a no win situation from the get go. Feel sorry for the guy, who regardless of what has been said about him appears to be a decent human being.

honestly i appreciate what santa has done but lets be honest he is way past his best and he put his own interests above that of the club, you can save 242 people's lives but the moment you kill one person the police start coming after you......

[Jukes01]

Just now, sonar said:

If the players didn't like what he was doing then there is no way he was going to get their respect no matter what he did. 

You beat me to it. From what I remember the players didn't give him much of a chance and this occurred right from the moment he walked into the club. Not an easy situation for anyone because a lot of the players were brought out because Popovic convinced them of the way he was going to play. As a player you wouldn't feel so great when a new manager comes in and your whole season is thrown upside down with a different way of playing. I am not blaming Gombau or the players but I am not sure what Gombau could have done. The unrest started at the beginning with players like Cejudo who was benched, Cornthwaite also had a spell, same as Riera. It is what is but you are right it is a two way street and as a manager it would have been hard for Gombau to respect the players who were not willing to listen to him or give him a chance. 

 

 

[tardotz]

1 hour ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

i would say we get rid of all 3 if we have to get rid of gombau, no player is bigger than the club and there are a lot of players who think they are not replaceable(santa i am looking at you, i hope you are looking at the door)

I don't think Santa said anything that wasn't obvious or true..  he also tried his best on the field (the little time he was allowed to play)and only spoke after the season was over.

Is he past his best?..... probably but still bleeds red and black.

[lloydy136]

1 hour ago, hughsey said:

Make of the following as you will. I was told this by an insider I know who works within the club:

- JT and Josep had a falling out

- Josep made an ultimatum that it was either he or Riera

This sounds like the actions of a man who is trying to get fired.

[Jukes01]

7 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

This sounds like the actions of a man who is trying to get fired.

Really. It sounds like a man who wanted to know where he stood. 

[leslie]

I didnt think the club would have the kahoonas to do this and i give them credit. They obviously realised they had the wrong man and made an early call one week after seasons end so the players and fans know ratjer than speculate for another month or so.

I cant see them going for Okon risking another gombau philosophy season. 

Interesting times but given this is football none of us should be surprised. At least the off season wont be a total bore.

[matty]

30 minutes ago, Jukes01 said:

Really. It sounds like a man who wanted to know where he stood. 

Maybe, but If this is true, he went the wrong way about it. 

Terrible leadership 

[Jukes01]

33 minutes ago, leslie said:

I didnt think the club would have the kahoonas to do this and i give them credit. They obviously realised they had the wrong man and made an early call one week after seasons end so the players and fans know ratjer than speculate for another month or so.

I cant see them going for Okon risking another gombau philosophy season. 

Interesting times but given this is football none of us should be surprised. At least the off season wont be a total bore.

Fair enough. My personal opinion is the club made a mistake, especially since they knew what they were getting into. None of this should have been a surprise to the Wanderers.

Now that it's done, it would be interesting to see who they appoint. Let's hope a "mistake" is not compounded by more mistakes or a bigger mistake.

For what it's worth I wasn't enamoured with the Gombau style. However I could definitely see we were improving especially in the last 3 games. We might have lost but that was mostly down to bad refereeing decisions and Ill discipline from the players.

I honestly feel that Gombau deserved one more year especially considering how the Popovic saga unfolded and the player unrest he had to contend with. There are no excuses now, but I hope this time the club makes the decision and commits fully to the coach.

My guess is the club will hire the dud Okon, then the club will truly get what they deserve. Watch this space.

Edited April 19, 2018 by Jukes01

[btron3000]

4 hours ago, mack said:

There's not much point continuing this argument. The board clowns gave Gombau a 3 year deal and the impression that this season would be the foundation he built the next two on. And then sacked him 5 months later

Yeah. I never thought he was going to get the boot, purely because letting your captain walk and moving your visa winger on without replacement for either are the actions of a man who has multiple years to implement his vision. So as late as January Josep must have thought he was here for multiple years.

[btron3000]

1 hour ago, leslie said:

I didnt think the club would have the kahoonas to do this and i give them credit. They obviously realised they had the wrong man and made an early call one week after seasons end

Agree. No matter what led to us being in this situation, I admire them for making a decisive call, provided that call was indeed made because of what they saw behind the scenes was not what they wanted to see from a manager, and hopefully not because some whiney players or fans didn't want him around. The last thing you want is clueless clowns with no football understanding making decisions because of the complaints of others. 

[Paul01]

3 hours ago, btron3000 said:

Agree. No matter what led to us being in this situation, I admire them for making a decisive call, provided that call was indeed made because of what they saw behind the scenes was not what they wanted to see from a manager, and hopefully not because some whiney players or fans didn't want him around. The last thing you want is clueless clowns with no football understanding making decisions because of the complaints of others. 

If you listen to The Fox Football Podcast, Adam Peacock hosted the Wanderers Medal night where Riera picked up all the awards and said it was a weird night. Pretty sure that I heard that there was a distinct separation between Gombau and most of the players. I still maintain that Gombau doesn't get Western Sydney and the place our club sits.

So far 3 out of the four bottom 4 coaches are no longer in a job, only Kenny Lowe left.

[Zelinsky]

20 hours ago, FCWanderers said:

Gombau fell out with a number of players and has left others unconvinced he has the ability to lead a title challenge next year.

Club officials had also become alarmed at a noticeable decline in the squad’s fitness since Gombau’s appointment.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/western-sydney/western-sydney-wanderers-have-sacked-coach-josep-gombau/news-story/500561c7be35fab8c7e0114ad2393455

What was going on with the squads fitness this year and their ability to run out the back end of games.

 

Makes for interesting reading. Beyond the Gombau files:

• Fitzgerald, Tongyink, Elrich, and Kamau appear to be done deal.
• New coach is supposed to come from Germany.
• Raul has an option for another year.

Also, coaching support staff is going to be refreshed. All traces of Popa and Gombau will be gone.

 

And then there's Bossi

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/never-say-never-say-wanderers-but-now-is-too-soon-for-popa-return-20180419-p4zalp.html

 

 

 

[SomeGuy1977]

1 hour ago, Paul01 said:

If you listen to The Fox Football Podcast, Adam Peacock hosted the Wanderers Medal night where Riera picked up all the awards and said it was a weird night. Pretty sure that I heard that there was a distinct separation between Gombau and most of the players. I still maintain that Gombau doesn't get Western Sydney and the place our club sits.

So far 3 out of the four bottom 4 coaches are no longer in a job, only Kenny Lowe left.

A) Kenny is hanging out for Borneo or where ever the **** they want to play

B) Its hard enough to get anyone to come to WA in the first place. 

[spectacular291]

'Popovic not in Wanderer's plans' is music to my ears. 

[GunnerWanderer]

@btron3000 

you say the foreigners were rubbish?

so let me ask did you think roly and cejudo were rubbish when we signed them - these guys had well credentialed careers to date roly being a player we spoke about for years on forum trying to sign 

For you and others who say they are crap which is a fair statement given what they showed - how come if generally people thought they were good when we signed them now when josep failed to get anything out of them it’s nothing to do with him 

noone put a gun to Gombau’s head and said take the job - if the club said to him the season is a write off fair enough but if they said you need to perform than he was right to be sacked 

all the talk of player unrest - it’s his job to manage it and looks as though he failed miserably 

he cant be given a free ride merely because he came in after pre season!!!

[Zelinsky]

3 hours ago, Paul01 said:

If you listen to The Fox Football Podcast, Adam Peacock hosted the Wanderers Medal night where Riera picked up all the awards and said it was a weird night. Pretty sure that I heard that there was a distinct separation between Gombau and most of the players. I still maintain that Gombau doesn't get Western Sydney and the place our club sits.

So far 3 out of the four bottom 4 coaches are no longer in a job, only Kenny Lowe left.

The DT suggests that Gombau was not on the same table as JT and Lederer (unlike Popa in previous years), that he was not mentioned in any of the speeches, was not involved with any of the award presentations, and that of the players only Carrusca was seen having a proper conversation with him. Poor bastard (Gombau, not Carrusca).

No wonder Gombau wanted to have more than a dozen players replaced with guys he's previously worked with (according to Smitthies, admittingly). Western Sydney Reds/United: how much fun would that have been?

[ZachMercer]

Do we assume that making the finals was a KPI agreed to by Josep. If so then the club has every right to terminate based on performance. If not, do we assume he's to be paid out his remaining 2 years, inturn putting more financial stress on the club? Sounds not only like a bad selection but also a bad business decision.

[Jukes01]

Just now, ZachMercer said:

Do we assume that making the finals was a KPI agreed to by Josep. If so then the club has every right to terminate based on performance. If not, do we assume he's to be paid out his remaining 2 years, inturn putting more financial stress on the club? Sounds not only like a bad selection but also a bad business decision.

If it was something agreed to in the contract then no, they wouldn't have paid him out. 

I am still fearing we are going to get Okon, that would be my worst nightmare. From the youth set up in Australia to the Mariners in the A-league he has been an utter failure. The guy can't coach. 

[ZachMercer]

4 minutes ago, Jukes01 said:

If it was something agreed to in the contract then no, they wouldn't have paid him out. 

I am still fearing we are going to get Okon, that would be my worst nightmare. From the youth set up in Australia to the Mariners in the A-league he has been an utter failure. The guy can't coach. 

Have to agree mate. Okon = Coffin Nail.

[tardotz]

After the season we had on and off the field, dwindling attendance numbers and still one more season at the miserable SOP I would have they get the right person. 

[MathyouWSW]

Personally, I still feel that Hayden Foxe should of been given the role and not Gombau in the first place.

[StringerBellend]

8 hours ago, Jukes01 said:

Fair enough. My personal opinion is the club made a mistake, especially since they knew what they were getting into. None of this should have been a surprise to the Wanderers.

Now that it's done, it would be interesting to see who they appoint. Let's hope a "mistake" is not compounded by more mistakes or a bigger mistake.

For what it's worth I wasn't enamoured with the Gombau style. However I could definitely see we were improving especially in the last 3 games. We might have lost but that was mostly down to bad refereeing decisions and Ill discipline from the players.

I honestly feel that Gombau deserved one more year especially considering how the Popovic saga unfolded and the player unrest he had to contend with. There are no excuses now, but I hope this time the club makes the decision and commits fully to the coach.

My guess is the club will hire the dud Okon, then the club will truly get what they deserve. Watch this space.

What last three games did you watch? The last game was a shambles, as was the victory loss (promising 20 mins aside) 

Sure they were an improvement from the city away but that’s a pretty low bar to set.

on the players falling out if it was one or two players then yes blame players. This has been pretty much every senior player (and that’s just the ones we know about). There is a deeper problem there than one player being a tit

Also club backed gombau in Jan, they released cornthwaite who was pissed off, they let foxe go too. But the issues kept coming. The final straw would have been Santalab. 

[Zakman]

Carly Adno on FNR this morning said that she was at the Wanderers Awards Night and noticed that Gombau had little to no interaction with any players other than Carrusca and he wasn't even seated at the Chairman's table like Popa was other years. Seems like it had already been decided at that time.

[StringerBellend]

6 minutes ago, Zakman said:

Carly Adno on FNR this morning said that she was at the Wanderers Awards Night and noticed that Gombau had little to no interaction with any players other than Carrusca and he wasn't even seated at the Chairman's table like Popa was other years. Seems like it had already been decided at that time.

It’s pretty sad isn’t it, if that’s the case then it’s poor form by the club. It didn’t work out but the guy should be treated well

[MartinTyler]

10 minutes ago, MathyouWSW said:

Personally, I still feel that Hayden Foxe should of been given the role and not Gombau in the first place.

For what reason? Foxe was your typical 'temporary coach' and the team didn't reach any great heights (apart from 1st half v Perth) during his tenure culminating in a woeful show against 10-man Victory and FFA Cup defeat at the hands of Adelaide.

[Frankos187]

Well there arent any players wishing him well on social media...