Police, Security & Supporter Discussion Part 2

[alexd]

Hamer is dismissive of anything not anglo-saxon or not north shore/eastern suburbs. 

Been listening for a long time and she always comes across as an undertoned racist. oi oi oi

Edited May 13, 2019 by alexd

[StringerBellend]

 I can’t kick the radio off quick enough when I hear her voice 

[Jewwfro]

17 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

 

I listened to an interview on 702 this morning with an "unofficial spokesman" from The Cove. He was brilliant, and fought the fight we have all been arguing for years. Yet Wendy Harmer and Robbie Buck just didn't get it.

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/breakfast/breakfast/11085772

It's towards the end of the show, so about 1 hr.30 in.

 

They start talking about the incident at 2 hours 15 min in.

The guy from the Cove speaks to them at 2 hours 23 mins.

Edited May 14, 2019 by Jewwfro

[Jukes01]

17 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

......It's just bewildering that we have arrived in a day and age where a person just cannot ask to go and check out a disabled toilet facility before he takes his daughter there to use. Then, it turns into this **** fight, not only at the ground itself, but all over all forms of social and electronic media. (Yes Hadley, I'm ******* looking at you!). It just sickens me.

 

He probably didn't even think to ask. He has been using these toilets week to week with no issues and suddenly someone is trying to stop him for no reason at all. You wouldn't even think to stop, just push through and all of a sudden some secco thinks your being belligerent. It just astounds me how many people in the police and the media can't connect the dots and are actually doubling down on this guy. They actually want to character assassinate a family guy who has a disabled daughter. You can't make this stuff up. 

[Redwog]

For all the nonsense that Australia has a larrikin culture that like to stick it to the man, the reality is we are a subservient over regulated bunch. We kick up little fuss and as a general rule accept massive state overreach as a matter of course. Both sides of the political spectrum have their own ways of cultivating an acceptant ideology. 

When the story broke and was a lead on many online outlets, I was optimistic, but the narrative has been established by the powers that be, it's now about defending against character assassination. Truly disgraceful. 

[Prydzopolis]

19 hours ago, tardotz said:

He was in the wrong because his ticket didn't permit him to go there but this is where common sense should come in and the authorities showed none. We have seen this time and time again at SOP and unfortunately we are used to it but this is a first for the Smurfs.

For those of you who do not understand the situation, he has a special needs daughter & unless you are in the care for a child in a similar situation you may not understand. Hope this sheds some further light for you...

He was not in the wrong, his intentions were misunderstood. Instead of common sense applied, a understanding of the fathers situation with his special needs daughter & a deescalation by both security and police using best practices when it comes to crowd control, the opposite happened. This is why we find ourselves in this situation with the fallout more than justified.

This guilty until proven innocent approach is now doubled down by all parties involved especially security, the council, certain media outlets & nsw police as witnessed in the assistant commissioner’s presser. This happening whilst the FFA taking a passive approach to the situation, one that requires great leadership in fighting years & years of this ingrained attitude towards football & its crowds.

[MartinTyler]

3 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

 I can’t kick the radio off quick enough when I hear her voice 

More of a Jones/Hadley fan?

[Wobblies]

26 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

More of a Jones/Hadley fan?

I very much doubt that.

[Smoggy]

5 hours ago, Jukes01 said:

He probably didn't even think to ask. He has been using these toilets week to week with no issues and suddenly someone is trying to stop him for no reason at all. You wouldn't even think to stop, just push through and all of a sudden some secco thinks your being belligerent. It just astounds me how many people in the police and the media can't connect the dots and are actually doubling down on this guy. They actually want to character assassinate a family guy who has a disabled daughter. You can't make this stuff up. 

They will have followed him to McDonalds to try and get something on him. Watch him and see what he is up to, anything no matter how small, to justify their actions.

Just as well he didnt have a broken car light....or low treads on his tyres.

Edited May 14, 2019 by Smoggy

[StringerBellend]

29 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

They will have followed him to McDonalds to try and get something on him. Watch him and see what he is up to, anything no matter how small, to justify their actions.

Just as well he didnt have a broken car light....or low treads on his tyres.

The prick committed a seating protocol violation isn’t that enough, hanging is too good for him

As for the disabled girl wanting to use the toilet it’s political correctness gone mad

[Wobblies]

18 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

The prick committed a seating protocol violation isn’t that enough, hanging is too good for him

As for the disabled girl wanting to use the toilet it’s political correctness gone mad

Cultural Marxism I tell ya.

[Paul01]

Bozza has his say, correctly.

When will Gallop come out in support? When hell freezes over. 

https://www.goal.com/en/news/authorities-are-biased-against-football-fans-bosnich/19jq3p4qp6ssj15qoaeiwsl2ni

Edited May 14, 2019 by Paul01
Added info

[Prydzopolis]

On one hand the FFA approach is partly understandable, work in the back channels & hope over time that attitudes change. How is this approach working?

Will kicking the bee hive achieve anything? Better than much of what they’ve achieved over the last 4-8 years

[Wanderboy]

56 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

On one hand the FFA approach is partly understandable, work in the back channels & hope over time that attitudes change. How is this approach working?

Will kicking the bee hive achieve anything? Better than much of what they’ve achieved over the last 4-8 years

The FFA can kick the bee hive all they like.

The only people getting stung are the fans.

[mack]

David Gallop's spent more time building the hive than protecting anyone from it.

[Edinburgh]

2 hours ago, Paul01 said:

Bozza has his say, correctly.

When will Gallop come out in support? When hell freezes over. 

htt#ps://www.goal.com/en/news/authorities-are-biased-against-football-fans-bosnich/19jq3p4qp6ssj15qoaeiwsl2ni

Calling for meetings with the police is a waste of time. Any such meeting is more than likely to start with "We know what you pricks are like. We'll treat you the way we want to. Like it or lump it. Now what do you want to talk about?"

[StringerBellend]

Finally called out the bias against football 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/14/football-fans-have-long-been-treated-with-contempt-and-there-is-no-sign-of-that-changing

[marron]

Yep just came to post. Good article. Twitter thread is pretty great too.

[StringerBellend]

Opening story on 730 report too

[Smoggy]

1 hour ago, Edinburgh said:

Calling for meetings with the police is a waste of time. Any such meeting is more than likely to start with "We know what you pricks are like. We'll treat you the way we want to. Like it or lump it. Now what do you want to talk about?"

Whilst holding hand on holster....

[Edinburgh]

3 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Whilst holding hand on holster....

With trigger finger ready ...

[sonar]

Perhaps if fans starting wearing personal recording devices to catch these people out......lol.......my favourite.........

https://www.spytec.com/aquacam-water-bottle-hidden-camera.html

[Smoggy]

2 minutes ago, sonar said:

Perhaps if fans starting wearing personal recording devices to catch these people out......lol.......my favourite.........

https://www.spytec.com/aquacam-water-bottle-hidden-camera.html

nahhh, security will make you drink it before you go in, and then you will be shytting a small  camera the next day,

[sonar]

1 minute ago, Smoggy said:

nahhh, security will make you drink it before you go in, and then you will be shytting a small  camera the next day,

It was a little tongue in cheek....lol....... but there has to come a point where enough is enough and fans fight back. This crap gets repeated year in year out and the only real support we have is each other.

[Edinburgh]

24 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

nahhh, security will make you drink it before you go in, and then you will be shytting a small  camera the next day,

But you'd get some top vision of the copper ramming his baton up your arse!

[Paul01]

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

Opening story on 730 report too

Just watched it.

The Cops have lost the PR battle.

[LeeMarvin]

10 hours ago, Paul01 said:

The Cops have lost the PR battle

So will they beat the retreat or go full bastard mode?

[Paul01]

28 minutes ago, LeeMarvin said:

So will they beat the retreat or go full bastard mode?

Rhetorical question!

[Redwog]

Sorry in advance for a long post...

 

I think we had some power as a fanbase when the boycott happened. Since that moment, however, I'm not sure if all the agreed measures have been enacted. What did we do about that?

Sometimes a lesson in negotiations with the powerful is to consider; how do we enforce an agreement when our leverage (in that case the boycott) is no longer available?

In terms of the FFA, they could be smart and leverage their access to the media and make a statement in defense of their fans, pointing to the low per-head -capita of evictions when compared to other codes and the excessive costs born by fans of mandated heavy police presence (surely the ratio of cops to fans at A league matches outstrips the other codes). 

They could then outline a plan, and pressurise the relevant police ministers bypassing the cops entirely. 

The cops have too much power here. They tell event organizers how many cops will be needed (most of whom are paid extra shift/overtime rates.) Then we pay for it. The public order units cost more, the mobile prison costs more, the cavalry costs more etc. If they don't evict people and escalate stuff they have no statistical justification for their requirements. However there is no check and balance to make sure they aren't rorting the situation. At the moment they have the political cover of the sokkah hooligan narrative. This is an opportunity for FFA to push back a bit. But I doubt they have the will or capacity.

 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Redwog

[btron3000]

48 minutes ago, Redwog said:

 This is an opportunity for FFA to push back a bit. But I doubt they have the will or capacity.

The FFA are the most to blame for this (outside of the racist and overtime grabbing cops).

Even their standard response “it’s only a small percentage of fans” is essentially admitting there’s a problem, when they instead could be pointing out the stats that show football is not as bad as other sports.

As soon as they admit that even a small percentage of fans are a problem, they effectively give the green light to the cops to treat us all like criminals.